It's official.

[clubracergt1]

The 5.0 is back

Link (http://www.autoweek.com/article/20091218/DETROIT/912189996)

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http://www.autoweek.com/storyimage/CW/20091218/DETROIT/912189996/mustangv8-spy.jpg?ref=AR&maxw=630

Admittedly doesn't look like much, but what new engine does?

[///Mcompact]

The car gained about 100hp in one year!

"The number leaked suggests 412 horsepower for the mid-level variant of Ford’s Pony car, up from 315 hp in the current Mustang GT. The substantial increase in power was anticipated due to the recent release by Ford of their new V6 Mustang numbers – a near-GT boost to 305 hp, and an impressive 30 miles per gallon to go along with it."

I predict that the guys who bought the 2010 GTs will have arthritic knees early in life from all of the kicking of their own ass they are doing now.

Shit..the new V-6 is going to put out 300+.

[chrisheltra]

But can you change the belts with the motor running????

[Illusions]

About time! hopefully they will NOT put the irs under it.

[cobraetti]

About time! hopefully they will NOT put the irs under it.

The IRS is the best thing that ever happened to the mustang line

[LXtasy]

The IRS is the best thing that ever happened to the mustang line

dont kid yourself bud.

[clubracergt1]

The IRS is the best thing that ever happened to the mustang line

I beg to differ, Cobra boy. A well sorted live axle, like in the '05-up, can run just as well as an independent rear set-up on a road course. It is also the preferred suspension for the drag strip. Case in point, on the road course front, watch a Speed World Challenge race. Those Mustangs you see whipping some BMW ass? Live axle. I, personally, prefer a live axle to an IRS rear since I know EXACTLY what the rear end is going to do if I hit a bump mid-corner. An IRS is a touch unpredictable, in that respect. Well, that, and Ford's independent rear is not all that great. Now, if it matched what was in say, a Corvette; it would be a different story.

To sum up in the words of the great Patrick Henry-"Give me a stick axle, or give me death!" (Or something like that)

[///Mcompact]

Mustangs and bimmers are in different classes in the World Challenge series (GT & Touring). If a GT car doesn't run away from a touring car, then it has problems.

[Slowleen]

The IRS is the best thing that ever happened to the mustang line

Completely untrue. I made the mistake of putting an '03 cobra irs with bushing upgrades in place of my live axle. It didnt really handle any better when it came to beating on it, and it was mildly more comfortable when it came to hard bumps. The have a tendency to break when beating on, which the live axle doesnt. A 3 link solid axle is far better performance, in straight line or turns. The Ford IRS is garbage...its not a vette quality IRS...fairly subpar overall for an IRS

[LXtasy]

40k plus mustang gt pricing now. will see a ton more v6s on the roads now

[Illusions]

40k for the mustang gt and 34-36k for the camaro ss. Am I missing something? I think I'd get a used vette.

[MonteC]

40k for the mustang gt and 34-36k for the camaro ss. Am I missing something? I think I'd get a used vette.

x2

[jmd]

40k for the mustang gt and 34-36k for the camaro ss. Am I missing something? I think I'd get a used vette.

agree 1000%.

[cobraetti]

Completely untrue. I made the mistake of putting an '03 cobra irs with bushing upgrades in place of my live axle. It didnt really handle any better when it came to beating on it, and it was mildly more comfortable when it came to hard bumps. The have a tendency to break when beating on, which the live axle doesnt. A 3 link solid axle is far better performance, in straight line or turns. The Ford IRS is garbage...its not a vette quality IRS...fairly subpar overall for an IRS


you made the mistake of getting a 2009 and not buying the whole 03' cobra

[clubracergt1]

Mustangs and bimmers are in different classes in the World Challenge series (GT & Touring). If a GT car doesn't run away from a touring car, then it has problems.

My bad. I may have my series incorrect. I remember thr FR500C's running with BMW M3's somewhere, in the came class back in '05.

[clubracergt1]

40k plus mustang gt pricing now. will see a ton more v6s on the roads now


40 grand??? Obviously, your facts are skewed, sir.


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2010 Mustang GT Premium $33,230 (http://www.jonesfordinc.com/webtemplate.aspx?iid=2316810)

Now we all know there are many more on the Jones Ford lot that can disprove those prices quoted.

Now add in the fact that it's a 2011 model and add the 2-5% price increase per qtr the models get and your in the high 30k almost $40k

We all know new technology comes with a hefty price tag. just look at the price differnece between the 04 GT and the 05. The 05 GT was selling for close to what the Mach1's were selling for if not more.

Here's some more. notice only one at $28k. it must be the bait and switch vehicle
Mustang Gt 2010 prices (http://www.palmettoford.com/New-Inventory-2.aspx?model=Mustang&make=Ford&modelyear=2010&page=new-inventory-2&pagesize=25&ajax_t=1261513278616&sortdirection=True&sortitem=-2147483648&numberofvisiblepages=10&virtualpageindex=0&trim=GT&currentpage=1&totalrecords=7&hyperlinkargument=page)

Summerville Ford (http://apps.dealerconnection.com/dealers/lowcountryfordmercury/new-inventory?lang=en#modelid=140&filters=All/All/All/All//10/BodyDesc/1/0)

From the prices here I can see the mustang gt base selling for 40k with the 5.0 in it. The v6 alone has gone up close to 10k in 6 yrs. I would bet the v6 will sell for what the gt is selling for now in 2011 since it will have the same power as the current GT.

[1iron]

5.0 cool. 32,000 plus 10% is only 35,200. And I am sure you can deal on those numbers. That said I would never buy a new car.

[///Mcompact]

My bad. I may have my series incorrect. I remember thr FR500C's running with BMW M3's somewhere, in the came class back in '05.

No prob..I just know that the bimmers in the world challenge were usually 328i (4-doors) and they got butt-raped by the acuras!

I do remember the mustangs racing the E46 M3's in ALMS several years ago.

I agree that a Live axle can work and that not all IRS are the same.

I won't buy a new car again, either! NEVER!

[LXtasy]

Shaun. I wasn't talking about CURRENT car pricing. I was meaning once that 5.0 gets into a mustang it will be over 40k for a gt.

[chrisheltra]

LOL I bought my slightly used (4K miles) 03 Mustang GT for 17K. I dont understand why these things are so expensive now.

[1iron]

Palmetto Ford has a 2010 GT on the lot for $28,845 an that includes the delivery fee. So the new engine is going to add over $11,000??????????????????

[LXtasy]

Palmetto Ford has a 2010 GT on the lot for $28,845 an that includes the delivery fee. So the new engine is going to add over $11,000??????????????????

I believe so.

its an extra 100 hp as well.

When it comes out the price will go up. Hell it did from the 09 to 2010 bodystyle.

Now that 28k mustang gt at palmetto any options of base gt? Still its close to 30k for a v8 rwd car.

For the same price you can get 100 extra hp now
http://www.mcelveen.com/ou/summerville-buick-pontiac-gmc/3498_2552/inv/2010ChevroletCamaro/93371A

or you can spend the 42k for a 2ss BLAH . Give me power without too many "comfort items"

Thats me though

[1iron]

Standard GT. I am not sure what that comes with. It does have AC. What else do you need?

[chrisheltra]

^^ Thats the only thing it needs to be a street car.

[LXtasy]

^^ Thats the only thing it needs to be a street car.

I thought it also had to have a bed and a Lightning badge as well? everything else is race cars

[chrisheltra]

I thought it also had to have a bed and a Lightning badge as well? everything else is race cars

The bed is optional but it must have a tailgate

[Illusions]

A/C bah humbug, who needs A/C its over-rated anyway.

Hey both my vehicles are concidered street cars since they have tailgates, but then again they are slow as snails.

[gearmesh, inc.]

I would like to see what automatic transmission Ford plans on putting behind a factory 400hp mill. I sure hope it isn't the Explorer based 5 speed auto they are putting behind the current ones. There isn't much beef in these for increased horsepower levels.

I hope to see the return of the 4R70W automatic back to the Mustang GT. These can be built to hold 550-600 hp without stepping up to the expense of a Lentech valve body.

[1iron]

I read it would be the 6R80 six speed auto.

[WWhittle]

40k for the mustang gt and 34-36k for the camaro ss. Am I missing something? I think I'd get a used vette.


I have owned a bunch of different cars and a corvertte was the biggest piece of shit of all of them.

[gearmesh, inc.]

I read it would be the 6R80 six speed auto.

Uh-oh! Looks like another R&D learning curve on a new platform.

Isn't evolution great?.......Yeah, RIGHT! Sounds like they might use a 3 planet setup and just pull the overdrive planet into play to split the ratios of a conventional 3 speed layout in the back of the transmission. That will require a lot of synchronous friction element shuffling, meaning one element has to let go in perfect timing with another element coming on line. Can you say "long sliding shifts"? Goodbye high horsepower durability.

At least in a 4R70W or any other AOD derived platform, the first 3 gears don't require the precise timing of one friction element letting go while another one comes on. These transmissions upshift with just one friction element movement for the next gear up, except for going into overdrive. At least you know you shouldn't be shifting into overdrive with a lot of throttle, anyway.

[clubracergt1]

I think the 6R80 is just an evolution of the current F150 and Explorer trans. If that is the case, they have been pretty durable. Not too many people trying to slam 400 horsepower and who knows how much torque through one, that I have seen.

As for the speculative Mustang pricing, is is merely that-speculative. I don't think Ford is dumb enough to price it out of the Camaro's and Challanger's leagues. They seem pretty good at keeping the base cars reasonably priced, when compared to the competition. Time will tell, though. I may be wrong. I can't afford one, anyway, so what difference does it make.

Kind of interesting, though, how a little teaser on the new Mustang turned into a "let's bash Ford" thread-to some extent. Oh, well. Screw it. Go buy a new, ugly as fuck (IMHO), Camaro or a used Corvette-if you so desire. I am not trying to sell anyone a new car. Just thought some folks would be interested.

[LXtasy]

it was a comparison of cars. but hey they will sell anyways. 5.0 should have been back a couple years ago

[MonteC]

I have owned a bunch of different cars and a corvertte was the biggest piece of shit of all of them.


should fit in with the rest of the cars i own.

[MonteC]

Uh-oh! Looks like another R&D learning curve on a new platform.

Isn't evolution great?.......Yeah, RIGHT! Sounds like they might use a 3 planet setup and just pull the overdrive planet into play to split the ratios of a conventional 3 speed layout in the back of the transmission. That will require a lot of synchronous friction element shuffling, meaning one element has to let go in perfect timing with another element coming on line. Can you say "long sliding shifts"? Goodbye high horsepower durability.


All of the manufacturers have been heading that way, unfortunately. Chrysler was one of the first on that front, no bands, sprags, or rollers. Just shifting from one clutch pack to the next.

If the 6r80 is anything like the 6r60 it will be ZF based (german), and also has no bands, sprags, or rollers.

[Illusions]

Kind of interesting, though, how a little teaser on the new Mustang turned into a "let's bash Ford" thread-to some extent. Oh, well. Screw it. Go buy a new, ugly as fuck (IMHO), Camaro or a used Corvette-if you so desire. I am not trying to sell anyone a new car. Just thought some folks would be interested.

I do not see where its a bash Ford thing. It's just the trends we've noticed in the Ford pricing strategies. You just mentioned that Ford will have the base price somewhere close to the competition. But Ford's mighty Mustang will most likey enter somewhere in the middle of the competitions market pricing and excel past it with a few options. Also BASE model pricing is only a teaser placed on a vehicle to generate lot traffic. It also give the dealerships the ability to advertise Starting at $XX,XXX. I sold Fords in 94 when the sn95 came out so I'm a little familiar with what goes on too.

I also never said anything against the engine or the Ford vehicles. Just the PRICING. I can go one about pricing history but i guess I'll hold off on it for the next post. Here's a hint. Import tarriffs because domestics weren't selling. Remember what the domestics did with their pricing? I do!

I have owned a bunch of different cars and a corvertte was the biggest piece of shit of all of them.

Wes, everyone has owned a vehicle from each manufacturer that has turned out to be a POS. My Brother-in-law owned a 68 vette. It was garbage, always something going wrong with it. I was looking at a 69 vette and he talked me out of it, why? Just because his was garbage. Well as people know if they have done research on vettes the 68's Chevy rushed into production with known problems. All those problems were fixed for the 69 model year. So I can say that now I only know two people in my life that had a bad experience with a vette. C4's with the crossfire injection are another set of years to avoid. I only heard that from the rumor mill, never actually knew anyone with one. But during those years no manufacturer was producing an outstanding product .

But this is why we have many manufacturers to choose from. Not everyone likes the same thing. As my grandfather use to say, "It would be a hell of a world if we all liked blondes".

When it comes to vehicles, I'm not brand specific. I like all kinds of makes and models.

[WWhittle]

I do not see where its a bash Ford thing. It's just the trends we've noticed in the Ford pricing strategies. You just mentioned that Ford will have the base price somewhere close to the competition. But Ford's mighty Mustang will most likey enter somewhere in the middle of the competitions market pricing and excel past it with a few options. Also BASE model pricing is only a teaser placed on a vehicle to generate lot traffic. It also give the dealerships the ability to advertise Starting at $XX,XXX. I sold Fords in 94 when the sn95 came out so I'm a little familiar with what goes on too.

I also never said anything against the engine or the Ford vehicles. Just the PRICING. I can go one about pricing history but i guess I'll hold off on it for the next post. Here's a hint. Import tarriffs because domestics weren't selling. Remember what the domestics did with their pricing? I do!



Wes, everyone has owned a vehicle from each manufacturer that has turned out to be a POS. My Brother-in-law owned a 68 vette. It was garbage, always something going wrong with it. I was looking at a 69 vette and he talked me out of it, why? Just because his was garbage. Well as people know if they have done research on vettes the 68's Chevy rushed into production with known problems. All those problems were fixed for the 69 model year. So I can say that now I only know two people in my life that had a bad experience with a vette. C4's with the crossfire injection are another set of years to avoid. I only heard that from the rumor mill, never actually knew anyone with one. But during those years no manufacturer was producing an outstanding product .

But this is why we have many manufacturers to choose from. Not everyone likes the same thing. As my grandfather use to say, "It would be a hell of a world if we all liked blondes".

When it comes to vehicles, I'm not brand specific. I like all kinds of makes and models.



I think if a person looks past the legendary corvette badge and actually takes the time to see how a vette is put together, they would agree that it is a piece of shit. The interior of the vette is one of the cheapest interiors I have ever owned. They are notorious for squeeks, rattles, etc. Great performance for a production car- excellent motors for a production car- but still a piece of shit in my book.
I had an 08 and sold it with 912 miles on it.

[clubracergt1]

Link (http://media.ford.com/article_print.cfm?article_id=31645) to official Ford press release

More Pics:

http://auto.freedomblogging.com/files/2009/12/2011mustanggt2.jpg

http://auto.freedomblogging.com/files/2009/12/2011mustanggt7.jpg

Note the badge on the fender
http://auto.freedomblogging.com/files/2009/12/2011mustanggt5.jpg

http://auto.freedomblogging.com/files/2009/12/2011mustanggt1.jpg

[Illusions]

I like the looks of it and its a 4 valve. I think if they stayed with the 3v it would have a little more low end grunt. the 4v's are more high rev'rs. Might be interesting to see what the aftermarket guys get out of it and I'm not talking Roush, Saleen, etc.

[05Saleen]

I like it. The rims even look better.

[clubracergt1]

I would love to see a pair of turbos on this thing. Should be INSANE

[WWhittle]

I like it. Only thing it's missing is some pushrods.

[gearmesh, inc.]

Thumbs up for Ford not putting the back half of the engine under the dash.

Now if they would just get the F150 engine out from under the dash, they would be doing something.

[WWhittle]

Man i could hide some nitrous on that thing no problem.

[clubracergt1]

Man i could hide some nitrous on that thing no problem.

Hell, with that engine cover, you could probably hide 2 direct port kits on that thing.

[LXtasy]

I like it. Only thing it's missing is some pushrods.

ding

[wade w]

but still a piece of shit in my book.
I had an 08 and sold it with 912 miles on it.

I find that odd. I've never owned a vett, but I've been under the impression the newer vetts were way better than the older ones and just all around nice cars. I remember seeing a clip on that show in europe were they test cars. They normally bash american cars even the regullar vett. But raved on the new zr1.

[red99pony]

are the new 5.0s going to be real 5.0s or 4.9's like the old ones were?

[1iron]

I think it's 4951cc.

[Slowleen]

you made the mistake of getting a 2009 and not buying the whole 03' cobra

Uhh I didnt put a IRS in my '09...that'd be a gigantic step backwards.I meant that I put one in my '01 saleen...there is NOTHING about an '04 or older car that is better from an overall standpoint then an 05+ if you compare trim level to trim level. An 96-01 cobra or 03/04 mach1 is the comparison for a new gt...and overall they dont stack up very well against an 05+

[bwelch]

Uhh I didnt put a IRS in my '09...that'd be a gigantic step backwards.I meant that I put one in my '01 saleen...there is NOTHING about an '04 or older car that is better from an overall standpoint then an 05+ if you compare trim level to trim level. An 96-01 cobra or 03/04 mach1 is the comparison for a new gt...and overall they dont stack up very well against an 05+

I like the 03-04 cobra more than the 05 up mustang.

[LXtasy]

Uhh I didnt put a IRS in my '09...that'd be a gigantic step backwards.I meant that I put one in my '01 saleen...there is NOTHING about an '04 or older car that is better from an overall standpoint then an 05+ if you compare trim level to trim level. An 96-01 cobra or 03/04 mach1 is the comparison for a new gt...and overall they dont stack up very well against an 05+

Overall I can see. But performance wise NO. Unless you dyno race.

[Illusions]

Uhh I didnt put a IRS in my '09...that'd be a gigantic step backwards.I meant that I put one in my '01 saleen...there is NOTHING about an '04 or older car that is better from an overall standpoint then an 05+ if you compare trim level to trim level. An 96-01 cobra or 03/04 mach1 is the comparison for a new gt...and overall they dont stack up very well against an 05+

Ah say that now that I no longer own an 04 Mach1. If I still had it rest assure this would be a call out. :) :cheers

Performance wise my Mach was a better vehicle. If your just looking for a local show car queen, get a new vehicle. Thats all that matters around here.

[WWhittle]

I find that odd. I've never owned a vett, but I've been under the impression the newer vetts were way better than the older ones and just all around nice cars. I remember seeing a clip on that show in europe were they test cars. They normally bash american cars even the regullar vett. But raved on the new zr1.



I just had a C6, maybe the ZR1's overall quality is better- don't know.